Infant Killed in Shooting
Los Angeles: A three-week-old infant was shot and killed Saturday during an attempt murder which left a 37-year-old man in critical condition.
On Saturday, at around 9:30 p.m., Rampart officers responded to a call of a shooting at 6th Street and Burlington Avenue. Upon arrival, officers determined that an infant and a 37-year-old man had been struck by gunfire. The infant, who was identified as Luis Angel Garcia, was transported by paramedics to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead. The adult male, Francisco Clemente, was also transported to a local hospital and remains in critical condition.
The suspects are unknown and the weapon is outstanding.
The Los Angeles Police Department is seeking the assistance from the community. Anyone with information is asked to call Robbery-Homicide Division at 213-485-2531. On weekends and during off-hours, call the 24-hour toll free number at 1-877-LAWFULL (529-3855).
HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET SOMETHING POSTED...IVE HAVE PUT SOME COMMENT ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT ARTICLES AND THEY WERE NEVER POSTED...OR ARE WE NOT GOING TO POST BLOGS U DONT LIKE...GET THEM POSTED OR GET SOMEOPNE ELSE WHO CAN..OR MAYBE US OFFICERS CAN INVENT ANOTHER BLOG FOR COPS ONLY AND ANYTHING GOES.....GETTING PISSED OFF!!
Posted by: anthony sullivan | September 18, 2024 at 10:13 AM
One thing niether the Mayor nor Police Chief will do about this: Deport the illegal aliens who are the gang members (and their parents) in Rampart.
The Mayor says he "won't stand for" having infants murdered. Yes he will. HE ABSOLUTELY WILL!! He would rather have babies murdered than deport illegal aliens.
The gangsters that pervade Rampart would not roam freely if Special Order 40 was revoked, and the LAPD started loading busses to ship them south of the border.
But, thank goodness the people around MacArthur Park are safe from the LAPD, as the Mayor said back in May. Luis Angel Garcia sure feels safe, doesn't he Mr. Mayor?
Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
Posted by: Robert C. J. Parry | September 18, 2024 at 11:05 AM
I suggest your first suspect be the gang members collecting taxes from the street vendors on 6th street. The Mayor and Councilman only show up after a baby is killed, what a bunch of clowns we having running the city. These are the same clowns who were quickly blaming the cops for everything that happened at McArthur Park before any investigation was even started.
Posted by: frank | September 18, 2024 at 12:55 PM
Robert your right on the mark, as ussual! It and they are indeed Pathetic! Good job mr. Mayor and Chief Bratton, the blood of this Baby is on your hands! You should be ashamed for your callow failures! My heart goes out too the family of this Baby. Your Mayor and Police Chief have failed you!
Stay Safe Warriors!
Posted by: Ed O'Shea | September 18, 2024 at 08:01 PM
Good to know you made one arrest today unfortunately the Mayor and bone-head Reyes will be on television telling us what a good they did. I would to see the Mayor thank and also apologize to the cops who actually put in the foot work on this case.
I hope you catch the other two shooters quickly but they may already be back in Mexico, El Salvador or Honduras. We should hold the Mayor and Reyes responsible for not supporting the gang units.
Posted by: frank | September 18, 2024 at 09:24 PM
In fear of Robert C Parry and Ed O'Shea, I offer the following:
Canada's new problem
From the "Manitoba Herald," Canada:
The flood of American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada
has intensified in the past week, sparking calls for increased patrols
to stop the illegal immigration.
The actions of President Bush are prompting the exodus among
left-leaning citizens who fear they'll soon be required to hunt, pray,
and agree with Bill O'Reilly.
Canadian border farmers say it's not uncommon to see dozens of
sociology professors, animal-rights activists and Unitarians crossing
their fields at night.
"I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood
producer huddled in the barn," said Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield,
whose acreage borders North Dakota. The producer was cold, exhausted
and hungry. "He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range
chicken.
When I said I didn't have any, he left. Didn't even get a chance to
show him my screenplay, eh?"
In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher
fences, but the liberals scaled them. So he tried installing speakers
that blare Rush Limbaugh across the fields. "Not real effective," he
said. "The liberals still got through, and Rush annoyed the cows so
much they wouldn't give milk."
Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals
near the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo station wagons, drive
them across the border and leave them to fend for themselves.
"A lot of these people are not prepared for rugged conditions," an
Ontario border patrolman said. "I found one carload without a drop of
drinking water. "They did have a nice little Napa Valley cabernet,
though."
When liberals are caught, they're sent back across the border, often
wailing loudly that they fear retribution from conservatives. Rumors
have been circulating about the Bush administration establishing
re-education camps in which liberals will be forced to drink domestic
beer and watch NASCAR races.
In recent days, liberals have turned to sometimes ingenious ways of
crossing the border. Some have taken to posing as senior citizens on
bus trips to buy cheap Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a
half-dozen young vegans disguised in powdered wigs, Canadian
immigration authorities began stopping buses and quizzing the supposed
senior-citizen passengers on Perry Como and Rosemary Clooney hits to
prove they were alive in the '50s. "If they can't identify the
accordion player on The Lawrence Welk Show, we get suspicious about
their age," an official said.
Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are
creating an organic-broccoli shortage and renting all the good Susan
Sarandon movies.
"I feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy just
can't support them," an Ottawa resident said. "How many art-history
majors does one country need?"
Posted by: in fear of Robert C Parry | September 19, 2024 at 12:28 PM
Where are the multiple press releases? Every hour after the the may 1st march, there was a new story with an update every hour....If it was'nt for the police officers who have to do MORE WITH LESS, WRITE THOSE TICKETS and have ONE ARM TIED BEHIND THIER BACKS, the city would be in a worse situation. I remember watching Reyes and the mayor up in arms after the march on may 1st, they showed a lot of emotions, because "thier people were abused" when they were in front of the cameras. They are both a joke, and cowards. If they really wanted to make a difference and fight the fight, they would've put on the blue suit and been ready to go. Instead they are low level politicians, getting caught cheating on thier wife, letting thier wife crash their city vehicle, then letting the citizens pay for the damage...Know this, 99 percent of the officers that wear the uniform, do not have any confidence in either of you. You stand up and fuss when u believe the people of the city want you to, but not when your supposed to. When some unqualified, self appointed community leader, wants you to.
I don't know what I would do, or how I would feel, if I held my dying baby in my arms, because of gangmembers shooting a gun.
Maybe that gangmember has'nt dealt with the right police officers yet. Maybe that gangmember doesnt respect or fear the police that patrol the streets he stalks. This is an ongoing cycle of violence that will not end, if the chief of police, and all of his staff that fear him, continue to take our tools away. for example, officers in South Bureau are not allowed to patrol out on the street, with more that 2 officers (3-deep). Want to know why? Because it is intimidating.....A person in charge of that bureau made that a direct order. In one of the most violent places in America, there are people that dont want the police to be intimidating? INTIMIDATE THOSE THAT INTIMIDATE OTHERS...The criminals, gangmembers, the violent people who kill infants. They should be intimidated, arrested, cited, detained, every second they choose to be out on the street, because every second they are out on the street, they are victimizing someone. Know this Citizens of Los Angeles, you have a police force that wants to do the job. You just dont have honest, righteous leaders.
Luis Angel Garcia, you dont have to worry, fear, or hunger for anything any more. God has you now and will protect you for eternity. We will all pray for your family that still has to suffer, and hopefully they will find the strength to carry on. You will not die in vien. The police officers of the LAPD, promise it.
Posted by: ZERO.TWO | September 19, 2024 at 03:52 PM
That was awesome! I wish it were true and all liberals were running for the border, this country would be so much better off. Priceless!
Ed O'Shea
Posted by: Ed O'Shea | September 19, 2024 at 05:06 PM
Oh fearful one:
Why are you in fear of little ol' me?
Because I want the law enforced? Because I think it disingenuous that we have men in war (including myself) to defend our country, some of them dying, while our borders remain porous?
I am the son and husband of immigrants. I welcome them - within the bounds of the law. Which is the same restriction I put on people's freedom to drive from place to place (obey the speed limit), earning a living (don't rob banks) and raise their children (don't beat them).
If this is so crazy that the lefties feel inclined to flee to Manitoba. I'll take up a collection to buy them maps and warm clothes.
So long as they respect Canadian law, and get visas.
Posted by: Robert C. J. Parry | September 19, 2024 at 08:30 PM
As long as the Mayor and Chief continue to not let their police officers go after the criminal gangs in the city this will continue to happen. If cops continue to get b.s. complaints from gangmembers for being proactive and doing good honest agressive police work, these killings will continue to happen. We cops know where these gangmember hide and where they hangout but will not actively go after them because we will get stupid complaints from gangmembers and the department will spent countless hours investigating them and eventually put the unfounded bogus complaint in a cops record. If that cop gets enough unfounded b.s. complaints the department will transfer you or sideline you for being to agressive. So the gang banger wins and more little kids will die. If the department would just get rid of this complaint system and replace it with a fair one, we cops could stop these killings and put the gangs out of business..But i really dont think the Chief or the Mayor really wants that done. Why would they tie there cops hands with such a complaint system and unfair discipline. It doesnt make sense. We can put a stop to this, if only the city leaders would let us.
Posted by: anthony sullivan | September 20, 2024 at 09:38 AM
...the fear part is tongue in cheek, lil bro. Kudos for telling the truth on how honest immigrants are victimized by American born gang members. When I think of how hard it is for a free spirit to be born into the body of a woman, and I think of this little one who went through so much to be here only to be so callously snuffed out so soon, my heart hurts. It must be even harder for you warriors who see it often, so I try to use humor to soften the angst, but I know it doesn't work... I cry every day for you, but every day I find a way to laugh, too, to keep hope and peace and joy in my heart for you and your families. When I say I am in fear of you, it is a complement; a more accurate word is whatever you call the mixture of endless forgiveness, respect, admiration, awe, gratitude and trust I feel for you and your brothers and sisters. So my words are inadequate; you go, boy; I'm scared of you!! Ha ha ha....
Posted by: in fear of Officer Parry | September 20, 2024 at 01:45 PM
Oh gee, and here I am, liberal, lefty old me. Whoops. Trying to talk to cops, finding you all interesting, pretty decent folks. And here I thought you all liked me....
Am I in the wrong place? I'd much rather talk to the people actually doing the job than the brass, or the press, or the organization of the week.
Yep, I'm a card carrying member of the ACLU, NAACP and Amnesty International. Not a Hollywood producer in the family, but we do have several fine soldiers (which includes one decorated WWII hero that I'm very proud of.) I live in an immigrant neighborhood and I like my neighbors. The folks born abroad are mostly fine. It's the people who grew up in the U.S. who cause us the most crime, at least here.
And I'm an RN who's worked in a lot of ERs, which means, folks, I've seen most of the same B.S. and probably as many dead bodies. I wouldn't know one wine from another, but I've seen shot gangbangers and abused kids and raped women, battered wives and my heart just aches for that little baby and her parents.
But go ahead...pick on us...(looks sad here). Make the force look bad. Fellow liberals will feel free to form the opinion that the LAPD is prejudiced and bigoted and then nothing will ever change and nobody will talk to each other instead we'll just throw stones...
Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo | September 21, 2024 at 11:55 AM
Camilla-
I am not a police officer, but have written about them and the LAPD extensively. Your membership in the ACLU, etc provides support to organizations (and influential individuals there in) who willingly make police officers in specific, and the public in general, less safe.
The Consent Decree has taken hundreds of officers off the street, directly or through administrative burdens. The child in question in this post might have been saved had 10-more gang cops worked Rampart instead of "Audit Bureau." But, you support the CD by supporting the ACLU. You stand with the John Macks of this world who declare cops guilty before the facts are discoverd, much less evaluated (see Steve Garcia).
So, don't help tie cops' hands (ACLU), smear their reputations (NAACP), limit their options for personal safety (ACLU again) and compare them to ruthless dictators (Amnesty Int'l)and then complain that you're not treated nicely.
If you are a crime victim, the cops I know will work just as hard to find your suspect as any other. But don't expect them to like you if you'll march in the streets if the shoot the guy.
Posted by: Robert C. J. Parry | September 21, 2024 at 04:37 PM
Well, said Robert! As for you Camilla, your judged by the company you keep, all I need to know about you and your positions is that you are a member of the race baiting demagogues of the NAACP, ACLU and probably the Urban League as well! Lip service does NOTHING to help the plight of the people in the ghetto's of Los Angeles! But I bet you and your elitist circles love to sit around and paint the LAPD in a pejorative fashion to justify your obtuse view if our abilities! And that is the real shame, truly a sad existence to be such pessimists! It is Warriors like the Officers of the LAPD, La School PD, LASO, Park Police, County Police Officers and Department of Probation who are eager to get to work and combat the murderous gangs that are the true oppressors in South Central neighborhoods! Luckily we, The City of Los Angeles have a few selfless sentries in the watch tower like Robert Parry to call it like it is from a top the watch tower! Certainly better than being a part of a bunch of malcontents like the NAACP, ACLU and the Urban League! Those organizations only stay relevant if the continue to further oppress the minorities they rely on for all the funding! These poor people are being victimized by the "do gooders" like you that are so self righteous that they believe the Bio they write on themselves! You have been hoodwinked and bamboozled by the John Macks of the world and that must be a hard pill to swallow for someone who demonstrably considers herself an intellectual! Either that or you are incapable of being intellectually honest enough to admit that this City has failed with the structure of our city government and you've drank the preverbal kool aid! You've been sold a bill of goods and you bought it hook line and sinker! Let us know when you want to come on back to the real world and REALLY help our families and thier kids, not just wax about in on a blog! And thanks for your assistance Mr.Parry, you are a true asset to this City and if we could only more true Community voices like yours, Los Angeles and all of it's children would be in a much safer light!
Stay Safe Warriors!
Ed O'Shea
Posted by: Ed O'Shea | September 22, 2024 at 01:00 PM
Robert, I will go look up the consent decree, but could you please explain more about that to me? I'd like to know YOUR perspective.
Well, the being-liked-stuff was tongue in cheek. Stereotyped as it was, I found that poem about liberals going to canada really funny. I'd rather be listened to than liked.
But I do think it's inappropriate when zero.two was saying all liberals should all leave the country. Maybe he was just joking, but that wasn't clear in the post. I don't say all conservatives should leave (although I can think of a few individuals I'd like to see gone).
I enjoy talking to conservatives. Sometimes they change my mind on something. Sometimes I even change their minds.
And actually, I can think of some important issues police and liberals should make common cause about.
Like the results of the never-ending tax cuts. Don't give enough funding to social services, housing, mental illness half-way houses, etc. Cut the social workers, teachers, public health.
And you know what? Really bad stuff happens and the same tax cutters say "oh, you cops. You go clean up the mess". And people wind up either jail or in my Emergency Room, for stuff that mostly was preventable.
And I think it's shocking how little money cops make considering the job they all do. Maybe, just maybe, there would be more cops on the street if they got enough money to at least afford to buy a house in the city.
Posted by: Camilla Cracchiolo | September 22, 2024 at 10:47 PM
Mr. Parry,
Delightful posts!!! Brought a needed smile to my face. Your wit and intellect go down smoother than a mint giblet on Derby Day. Thank you.
Posted by: c.andrade | September 23, 2024 at 10:32 PM
I am very saddended by the loss of a newborn baby at the hands of a gangmember, and I wonder why the ACLU and NAACP are not representing the mother of this child,an innocent baby, who was murdered by a gangmember. But if the gangmember,a criminal,menace to society, where to be shot by an LAPD Officer, doing his job of protecting the citizens of Los Angeles, they would have been there to say how bad LAPD is. People, black and latino are murdered by gangmembers on the streets everyday, it seems and the so called black community leaders do nothing, show no supprot, or try to offer remedies for this crisis. Don't they know that officer involved shootings are far and few between compared to the amount of gangmember involved shootings. Why does the Mayor shows his face when a traggedy has occured but is not there before traggedy strikes, trying to assure the citizens that he and the LAPD will do whatever it takes to serve and protect the city. I don't know how a mayor and chief of police can show so little regard for the officer's of their police department but go out of there way to show support to people who attack and berate our officers. At the expense of and LAPD officer, it seems to me, that the mayor and even the chief will bend over backwords for people who are creating chaos in the city.
Posted by: Lynn | September 24, 2024 at 06:18 AM
Yawn. Once again, it's time for the regular ACLU bashing on the LAPD blog by people who don't have a clue what the ACLU does for them.
The ACLU is an essential, patriotic organization that protects all Americans by defending the Constitution. The ACLU works to protect ordinary citizens against an abusive government and to make certain the Constitution is not ignored or abused by governmental entities and law enforcement agencies.
To suggest the ACLU represent a mother in a suit against a gangbanger shows a fundamental ignorance of what the organization is all about.
The ACLU protects YOU against government abuse and unconstitutional behavior. It is not a "liberal" or "conservative" group -- it protects both liberals and conservatives. Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant of its history and its mission.
Posted by: ACLU Republican | September 24, 2024 at 08:39 AM
Dear ACLU Republican:
Can you please tell me the status of the lawsuit the ACLU is sponsoring and supporting against the mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana, on behalf of the Katrina victims whose firearms were illegally confiscated?
I am sure that the ACLU thinks government violation of the 2nd amendment against law-abiding citizens is just as repugnant as the rights of criminals to be safe from police abuse.
Never mind. I'll answer my own question: there is no such lawsuit. Hence the stagnant credibility of the ACLU in these circles.
Now, I'm open to change, so if you can find an article discussing the ACLU's participation in such a lawsuit, I'll have a nice baked crow for lunch.
Posted by: b&w; op | September 24, 2024 at 09:40 AM
ACLUR-
The ACLU is not a liberal organization? Reaaallllyy?
Where was the ACLU when the Consent Decree monitor acted to prevent LAPD officers from speaking their minds about the Decree?
Where is the ACLU when the LAPD uses un-substantiated complaints (filed under the ACLU-sponsored CD) to limit the careers of cops?
Where is the ACLU when cities act to limit the rights of citizens to own guns? They have this remarkably broad approach to every ammendment in the Bill of Rights - except the second.
Where is the ACLU when conservatives are boxed in and gagged on universities? Where was the ACLU last week when the UC Board of Regents withdrew an invitation for the former president of Harvard to Speak?
Spare me the one-off stories about standing up for the rights of nutjobs.
Rather, give me something that should lead me to believe the ACLU has NOT gone to great lengths to make sure that thugs like the killer of this infant have every chance to get back ont he street and do it again.
Posted by: Robert C. J. Parry | September 24, 2024 at 10:03 AM
The ACLU doesnt protect me..Did you know the ACLU represented a Man who raped a young boy repeatedly for 4 years. He did 60 days in jail. The family sued him along with "MAN BOY LOVE ASSCO. OS AMERICA". because the man got all of his kiddy porn from that assoc. The ACLU who supposadly represents americans like you and me represented that association for free. Can you imagian that, they rep a association who thinks its ok to rape small kids. Thats what the MAN BOY LOVE ASSCOC IS ALL ABOUT. So they dont represent reall americans and if you think so you agree with them and their boy raping clients..You sick!!!
Posted by: anthony sullivan | September 24, 2024 at 01:33 PM
Hey Rusty O'Shea. When is the "Rant" coming? Keep us advised.
Posted by: red head | September 24, 2024 at 01:42 PM
It's a common practice for reactionary liars to fabricate cases in which the ACLU was involved, typically claiming they represent rapists, child molestors, and the like. The ACLU did NOT defend a rapist in the Massachusetts NAMBLA matter; the ACLU defended a website operator.
The reality is that the ACLU must be unpopular by its nature, because it takes on cases that are highly polarizing. To claim it is "liberal," however, is nothing short of ignorant.
The ACLU, for example, represented Oliver North, who could hardly be called a "liberal." The ACLU also defended the Westboro Baptist Church and the right to publicize their "God Hates Fags" campaign -- again, hardly a liberal endeavor. The ACLU has famously defended -- and repeatedly -- the right of the Klu Klux Klan to parade; the KKK is hardly a "liberal" group. Similarly, the ACLU has also represented the American Nazi Party, again hardly a "liberal" entity.
Defending freedom is sometimes ugly, but the ACLU has never shied from defending freedom, even when it means ignorant people must smear or distort what the group really does. The right smears the ACLU; the left smears the ACLU.
The ACLU is currently defending a Southern California man who was arrested simply for displaying an American Flag at his home. That, in a nutshell, demonstrates the value of the ACLU.
It protects YOUR freedom.
Posted by: Proud ACLU Contributor | September 24, 2024 at 07:21 PM
As a liberal organization, the ACLU is quite happy to facilitate the public rantings of fringe radicals from the right side of the aisle. The more Nazis march in the street, the more liberals can shape the right as Nazis.
However, by that standard, the fact that the Los Angeles GOP doesn't stop communists and anarchists like ANSWER from marching in the streets makes them an equally non-partisan group.
The ACLU does nothing to protect core conservatives (see every major college campus, see he Lawrence Summers/UC Regents issue). It picks and chooses the "liberties" it protects (again, see the 2nd Ammendment).
Where was the ACLU when Bratton was punishing cops without benefit of an investigation? Oh, that's right, taking the side of the folks who were throwing bottles and batteries at those same cops.
Just admit your biased agenda, and stop faking some sort of bravado that simply is not in your character.
Posted by: Robert C. J. Parry | September 25, 2024 at 08:14 AM
B&W; op, Lynn, Robert Parry, ZERO TWO, Frank and A. Sullivan, BRAVO laddies and gents, BRAVO !!!!!! Andrade I would like to second that tipping of a nice COLD pint of Guinness! And Stay Safe Warriors and Wordsmiths!
Ed O'Shea
Posted by: Ed O'Shea | September 25, 2024 at 09:36 AM
Hey RED HEAD you know thats not cool and why do u do it. Do you not agree with something here? Are you trying to make a point. I think u know what im talking about. Why dont you tell us your real name and what Station you work for. Email me and tell me if you like so i can post it on the web.. dont be an idiot..if you have somthing to say come out and say it.
Posted by: anthony sullivan | September 25, 2024 at 09:47 AM
The ACLU presently is representing the Second Amendment Foundation (a pro-gun, anti-gun control organization) in an ongoing lawsuit entitled Bradburn et al. v. North Central Regional Library District. The suit, now pending in Federal Court, challenged a Washington state law that library users could not visit pro-gun and hunting websites on library computers. The ACLU is representing the Second Amendment Foundation in its assertion that the library ban violates users First and Second Amendment rights. The case had a final scheduling conference last week and should go to trial within the next few weeks.
Contrary to urban legend and misinformed blog commenters who can't spell, the ACLU has long supported the Second Amendment.
Posted by: Wayne | September 25, 2024 at 01:56 PM
Funny Wayne, you had to drudge up an obscure case in the middle of Washington State, that no one else in the country has heard of? Which is precisely the point of the above blogger's. And as for your jab at the spelling of another blogger I guess we cannot all be as academically astute as the card carrying ACLU elite. Your claim that the aclu has been a long supporter of the 2nd Amendment is laughable! Leave it up to an empty suit to trot out and obscure case then make a feeble attempt in the verbal jousting arena, with a pathetic shot at someone's spelling! Jabs like yours Wayne are what we expect from a callow little man who obviously doesn't have the FACTS and substance to support his weak argument! Stick to protecting NAMBLA, that's the type of company that the aclu prefers to keep! As for our 2nd amendment rights, sell your half baked attempt to appear nonpartisan to someone else, we're all stocked up here! And yes the aclu is purposely typed in lower case, they don't rate anything more! We LAPD Officers are still waiting by the way, for the aclu to step up to the plate and defend us? But I guess like Robert stated above about the aclu, we don't count! Wayne, find someone elses leg to hump! And as for my fellow Warriors, stay safe.
Ed O'Shea
Posted by: Ed O'Shea | September 25, 2024 at 05:35 PM
I think the discussion on the ACLU is interesting but let's get back on point. Gangs took a child's life and thousands of others throughout the years. Much of the gang culture that spread across the country in the 80's came from Los Angeles. Policing on the cheap (understaffing) did a great job exporting this problem.
I will say this again to our Department and City leadership because it is worth repeating and so important for everyone to remember.
The LAPD is only a police force so long as it has patrol. You can take away all else and you can still enforce the law, but if you take away patrol you lose the ability to police.
Stop using the patrol force as a labor pool for all else on LAPD, and staff if properly. Then make do with what remains. That is the real priority and the real challenge.
Posted by: Bob Davis | September 27, 2024 at 03:59 PM